Episode 13 – Urgent and Existential Threat – has the ICJ Advisory Opinion changed the legal landscape?

Episode 13 – Urgent and Existential Threat – has the ICJ Advisory Opinion changed the legal landscape?

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 13: Urgent and Existential Threat – has the ICJ Advisory Opinion changed the legal landscape?

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Urgent and Existential Threat – has the ICJ Advisory Opinion changed the legal landscape?

Six months on from the landmark ruling by International Court of Justice which declared climate change “an urgent and existential threat” has anything changed for lawyers, law makers and businesses?

Has this opinion influenced corporate legal practice or shaped decision-making for firms or their clients? What are the due diligence obligations businesses need
to know about, and if the 1.5°C target is increasingly seen as unachievable, how relevant does it remain as a legal and policy benchmark?

In this episode Amanda Carpenter does a dive on the impact of the ruling with guests from both sides of the profession: Estelle Dehon KC, Cornerstone Barristers
and Shane Gleghorn, UK Managing Partner at Taylor Wessing.

More about our guests:

Estelle Dehon KC is a versatile leading public law barrister with a broad practice, specialising in environment and planning law, with particular expertise in climate change, net zero and energy infrastructure. The other main area of her work is data protection and access to information, in which she is again recognised as a leading barrister. She also practices in election law and human rights law and is recognised in administrative and public law. Estelle took silk in 2022 and founded the cross-disciplinary centre of excellence for climate litigation and advice, Cornerstone Climate, in 2023.

Shane Gleghorn is the UK Managing Partner and Global Co-Chair of the board at Taylor Wessing. He is recognised as one of the UK’s premier banking and fraud litigators, specialising in advising major international clients and their senior officers on large-scale litigation, arbitration and regulatory investigations; representing major domestic and international commercial organisations, public companies, State entities and senior executives. He is also Chair of Legal Charter 1.5, a collaborative initiative of leading law firms which aims to shift thinking and drive transformational change to mitigate the climate crisis.

Episode 12 – The Making of Ocean: A podcast about hope and recovery

Episode 12 – The Making of Ocean: A podcast about hope and recovery

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 12: The Making of Ocean - a podcast about hope and recovery

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The Making of Ocean: A podcast about hope and recovery

Ocean with David Attenborough (2025) was a powerful and unflinching wakeup call exploring the vital importance of Earth’s oceans and the growing threats they face, featuring shocking footage revealing the devastation caused by bottom trawling.

For this podcast, Amanda Carpenter spoke to Olly Scholey, Field Producer on Ocean, and Dr Tom Appleby, Chief of Legal Affairs at Blue Marine Foundation, to gain insight into the making of the film and examine how the law can—and should—be used to better protect our seas.

How did the production team capture such dramatic footage oftrawling? Why is bottom trawling still permitted in Marine Protected Areas? How has the trawler fishing community responded to the film? How do government policies permit this destruction — and in some cases, actively subsidise it? Considering the fact that the UK fishery and seabed are owned by the Crown on behalf of the public; and the international fishery belongs to all people of all nations, how can lawyers help protect ocean health? We explore all this and more.

Questions for this podcast were based on the audience participation at the LSA’s screening of Ocean and panel discussion, run in partnership with Blue Marine Foundation.

Image credit (c) George Duffield.

More about our guests:

Olly Scholey has worked on a wide range of natural history feature films and documentaries over a fifteen-year career, including four Disney nature films and three landmark TV series, including the Emmy Award-winning Netflix series Our Planet.  Over the last eight years, he has specialised in ocean filmmaking, spending nearly 1,000 hours diving and many months at sea. His expertise in working in the marine environment has enabled him to develop pioneering underwater camera technologies and utilise a range of specialist techniques, delivering unprecedented footage of marine wildlife to the productions he works on.

Recently, Olly produced and directed the Ocean episode of BBC One’s Parenthood (2025), which showcased many never-before-seen parenting behaviours. Olly worked as the field producer for Ocean with David Attenborough, which released in cinemas worldwide from 8 May 2025 and on Disney+ and Hulu.

Dr Tom Appleby is Head of Governance and Legal Affairs at the Blue Marine Foundation.

Tom started life as a commercial property solicitor but has worked in the world of marine environmental law for over 20 years. He has worked with the commercial fisheries, ports, government and charitable sectors. Tom has been involved in projects as diverse as small no take zones in Scotland to UN Treaties to European fisheries and conservation regulation.  He was one of the first trustees of Blue Marine Foundation and has worked with the Blue Marine since its inception.

He retains a small teaching and research post at the University of the West of England, where he is an Associate Professor and is a member of the UK Environmental Lawyers Association.

Episode 11 – Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

Episode 11 – Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 11 - Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

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Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

In this episode, Sophia Adams Bhatti is joined by Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan for a deep dive into the carbon cost of AI—from the energy demands of large models to the hidden environmental impacts of everyday digital tools. Bhargav unpacks the origins of AI, what organisations can do to reduce their digital footprint, the innovations and policy that could make AI more sustainable and what law firms in particular need to understand as they adopt these technologies. An essential conversation for anyone navigating the future of AI in a responsible law firm.

More about our guest:

Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan is currently the AI and Tech lead at the Autonomy Institute, and a Doctoral Candidate at the University of Oxford. His research spans the intersection of AI and Society, and has been published at Nature, Cognition, Organisation Studies, and leading annual computer science conferences. He also holds research affiliate positions at the University of Cambridge, University of Chicago, and Stanford University. 

Episode 10 – The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

Episode 10 – The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 10 - The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

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The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

For this special episode Amanda Carpenter returns to the studio to talk to Wangui Kaniaru, Partner at ALN, Kenya. Early on in her career, Wangui was told that rather than justice, law is about trade-offs, incentives and outcomes. Realising that this is a mischaracterisation of the role law can play, Wangui put her head above the parapet to ask questions about climate justice and the role of lawyers and rule of law in a society facing the devastating impacts of the climate crisis.

How can questions of justice serve your clients and lead to more innovative, creative, and durable outcomes? Amanda and Wangui reflect on how to be a thoughtful lawyer, the implications of the ICJ ruling and nurturing hope for future generations.

Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are – St Augustine of Hippo

More about our guest:

Wangui Kaniaru

Wangui Kaniaru is a Partner at ALN Kenya.  She advises on complex cross-border transactions, restructurings, and regulatory matters and has lived and worked in the United States, Asia and Africa.  An Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, she is also deeply engaged in climate change policy and sustainability, examining how corporate law can advance investment in sustainable and ethical business practices and planetary stewardship. Beyond her practice, she explores the intersection of law, governance, and creative expression, using poetry to explore memory, resilience, and belonging.

Episode 9 – The Purpose Brief

Episode 9 – The Purpose Brief

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

The Purpose Brief

We spoke to Debra Sobel, founder of ‘The Purpose Hub’, to take a deep dive into ‘purpose’ and its evolving role in a responsible business. What is purpose in a corporate environment? Why is purpose relevant today? How do we articulate purpose to drive responsible growth and profitability, impact and behaviour change? Including advice on how to be purposeful, how to avoid greenwashing and how to protect yourself from ‘ESG whiplash’. This episode is hosted by Sophia Adams Bhatti.

More about our guest:

Debra Sobel

Debra Sobel is the founder and Lead Consultant of The Purpose Hub – helping national and global clients communicate purpose driven strategy and story in authentic, creative and risk-free ways, to mobilise behaviour change and drive positive impact. Debra is a former BBC prime television producer / director who has worked on programmes including Crimewatch, Watchdog and political and environmental documentaries.

Episode 8 – The Elephants on the Horizon

Episode 8 – The Elephants on the Horizon

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode - The Elephants on the Horizon

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The Elephants on the Horizon

Exploring the major trends set to shape the legal landscape

AI, climate change, geopolitics, the rule of law – the landscape of lawyering is changing. Amanda Carpenter and Sophia Adams Bhatti, public policy expert with over 20 years’ experience working across law, financial services, tech, consumer affairs, healthcare, and immigration and asylum, explore the ‘elephants on the horizon’ for law firms and how individuals can have an impact. Also, in this episode Amanda hands the mic over to Sophia, who is adding her voice as new host of the Sustainable Law Podcast.

More about our guest:

Sophia Adams Bhatti

Sophia is a public policy, human rights and AI expert. She has over 25 years experience spanning the public and private sector, having held senior roles in organizations such as the OFT, CMA FCA, she was the Director of Policy at the Law Society of England and Wales. Most recently she was the Global Head of Purpose and Impact at Simmons & Simmons, before going independent. She is the chair of the JUSTICE programme on AI in the Justice sector, Non executive board member for Amnesty International UK, a member of the advisory board of LawtechUK and advises organisations both private and public on strategic challenges ranging from responsible use of AI through,  climate action, and operating in uncertain times. A published author and researcher, she is also an affiliate of the Cambridge University Minderoo Centre for Technology and Democracy.