Episode 11 – Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

Episode 11 – Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 11 - Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

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Power Hungry: the Climate-Cost Benefit of AI

In this episode, Sophia Adams Bhatti is joined by Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan for a deep dive into the carbon cost of AI—from the energy demands of large models to the hidden environmental impacts of everyday digital tools. Bhargav unpacks the origins of AI, what organisations can do to reduce their digital footprint, the innovations and policy that could make AI more sustainable and what law firms in particular need to understand as they adopt these technologies. An essential conversation for anyone navigating the future of AI in a responsible law firm.

More about our guest:

Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan is currently the AI and Tech lead at the Autonomy Institute, and a Doctoral Candidate at the University of Oxford. His research spans the intersection of AI and Society, and has been published at Nature, Cognition, Organisation Studies, and leading annual computer science conferences. He also holds research affiliate positions at the University of Cambridge, University of Chicago, and Stanford University. 

Episode 10 – The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

Episode 10 – The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 10 - The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

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The Socially Imaginative Lawyer

For this special episode Amanda Carpenter returns to the studio to talk to Wangui Kaniaru, Partner at ALN, Kenya. Early on in her career, Wangui was told that rather than justice, law is about trade-offs, incentives and outcomes. Realising that this is a mischaracterisation of the role law can play, Wangui put her head above the parapet to ask questions about climate justice and the role of lawyers and rule of law in a society facing the devastating impacts of the climate crisis.

How can questions of justice serve your clients and lead to more innovative, creative, and durable outcomes? Amanda and Wangui reflect on how to be a thoughtful lawyer, the implications of the ICJ ruling and nurturing hope for future generations.

Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are – St Augustine of Hippo

More about our guest:

Wangui Kaniaru

Wangui Kaniaru is a Partner at ALN Kenya.  She advises on complex cross-border transactions, restructurings, and regulatory matters and has lived and worked in the United States, Asia and Africa.  An Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, she is also deeply engaged in climate change policy and sustainability, examining how corporate law can advance investment in sustainable and ethical business practices and planetary stewardship. Beyond her practice, she explores the intersection of law, governance, and creative expression, using poetry to explore memory, resilience, and belonging.

Episode 9 – The Purpose Brief

Episode 9 – The Purpose Brief

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

The Purpose Brief

We spoke to Debra Sobel, founder of ‘The Purpose Hub’, to take a deep dive into ‘purpose’ and its evolving role in a responsible business. What is purpose in a corporate environment? Why is purpose relevant today? How do we articulate purpose to drive responsible growth and profitability, impact and behaviour change? Including advice on how to be purposeful, how to avoid greenwashing and how to protect yourself from ‘ESG whiplash’. This episode is hosted by Sophia Adams Bhatti.

More about our guest:

Debra Sobel

Debra Sobel is the founder and Lead Consultant of The Purpose Hub – helping national and global clients communicate purpose driven strategy and story in authentic, creative and risk-free ways, to mobilise behaviour change and drive positive impact. Debra is a former BBC prime television producer / director who has worked on programmes including Crimewatch, Watchdog and political and environmental documentaries.

Episode 8 – The Elephants on the Horizon

Episode 8 – The Elephants on the Horizon

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode - The Elephants on the Horizon

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The Elephants on the Horizon

Exploring the major trends set to shape the legal landscape

AI, climate change, geopolitics, the rule of law – the landscape of lawyering is changing. Amanda Carpenter and Sophia Adams Bhatti, public policy expert with over 20 years’ experience working across law, financial services, tech, consumer affairs, healthcare, and immigration and asylum, explore the ‘elephants on the horizon’ for law firms and how individuals can have an impact. Also, in this episode Amanda hands the mic over to Sophia, who is adding her voice as new host of the Sustainable Law Podcast.

More about our guest:

Sophia Adams Bhatti

Sophia is a public policy, human rights and AI expert. She has over 25 years experience spanning the public and private sector, having held senior roles in organizations such as the OFT, CMA FCA, she was the Director of Policy at the Law Society of England and Wales. Most recently she was the Global Head of Purpose and Impact at Simmons & Simmons, before going independent. She is the chair of the JUSTICE programme on AI in the Justice sector, Non executive board member for Amnesty International UK, a member of the advisory board of LawtechUK and advises organisations both private and public on strategic challenges ranging from responsible use of AI through,  climate action, and operating in uncertain times. A published author and researcher, she is also an affiliate of the Cambridge University Minderoo Centre for Technology and Democracy. 

Episode 7 – The Changing Face of Sustainability

Episode 7 – The Changing Face of Sustainability

The Sustainable Law Podcast

If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 7 - The Changing Face of Sustainability

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The Changing Face of Sustainability

What does the future hold for law firms? How can legal professionals navigate the rapidly evolving world of ESG? We talked to the outgoing and incoming co-chairs of the Legal Sustainability Alliance, the biggest sustainability network in the UK’s legal sector about the network and the evolving landscape in which it operates. From pushback on ESG to developing client expectations, mitigating climate risk to regulatory requirements, we explore what has changed for law firms over the last decade and what the is coming on the horizon. With Paddy Linighan, Chief Sustainability Officer at Clyde & Co, Caroline May, Partner at Norton Rose Fulbright, Becky Clissmann, Counsel at Ashurst and Matt Sparkes, Sustainability Director at Linklaters.

More about our guests:

Matt Sparkes

Honorary President LSA and Sustainability Director, Linklaters

Matt leads Linklaters’ work on responsible business globally, ensuring that the firm’s own ESG performance reflects all stakeholder expectations and the advice provided to clients on many related themes.

Matt is active in a range of sustainability networks including as EMEA Chair of Business for Societal Impact and as co-chair of the Legal Sustainability Alliance. He is also a Board Member and Trustee of the UNGC-UK Network, is vice-chair of the Living Wage Foundation and, in his spare time, was until recently proud to act as chair of an East London employability charity.

Caroline May

Honorary President LSA and Partner, Norton Rose Fulbright

Caroline May is specialist environment and health and safety lawyer and head of Norton Rose environment, planning and health and safety practice for Europe, Middle East and Asia.

Caroline has extensive experience of both contentious and non-contentious environmental law. Her work has involved liaison with government, relevant regulatory authorities, NGOs and lobby groups. She has a specialism in environmental indemnity insurance and all aspects of health and safety law.

Caroline sat on National Council for the United Kingdom Environmental Law Association (UKELA) and Noise Consultative Committee for 6 years. She is a Freeman of the City of London and holds National Institute for Trial Advocacy Diploma (NITA).

Paddy Linighan

Co-chair LSA and Chief Sustainability Officer, Clyde & Co

Paddy is an experienced and skilled operations and finance professional, with over 35 years’ experience of operational and financial control, defining strategy and managing major business transformation programmes for large global organisations in the Legal Services sector.

Since 2020, initially in his role as Chief Operating Officer, he has led the development of Clyde & Co’s Environmental Social & Governance Strategy which has seen their strategic positioning leapfrog from being an approach which was precautionary to one which is ambitious and market leading.

Paddy was appointed the Firm’s first Chief Sustainability Officer in 2023. In addition to being a member of the ICAEW, he is an alumnus of Oxford Said Business School’s Scenarios Programme, an IEMA Associate and is recognised as an ESG Ambassador.

Becky Clissmann

Co-chair LSA and Counsel, Ashurst

Becky has over 19 years’ experience of climate change and ESG law and regulation from her roles in private practice and industry including as a Senior Editor in the environment team at Practical Law, Thomson Reuters. Becky also obtained extensive experience of climate change policy measures working for the Carbon Trust and as Managing Director of The Chancery Lane Project.

Becky works closely with colleagues across Ashurst, including the environment team advising on ESG regulation including sustainability reporting, supply chain due diligence and transition planning. She also regularly works with colleagues in the Risk Advisory practice to deliver integrated advice and tech solutions concerning ESG risk management across a range of sectors.

Becky is a co-convenor of the UK Environmental Law Association’s Climate Change and Energy Working Party and a member of The Law Society and the Bar Council’s Climate Change Working Groups.

Episode 6 – An Insider’s Guide to…. CSRD

Episode 6 – An Insider’s Guide to…. CSRD

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If you work in the legal sector and you have an interest in tackling the climate and biodiversity crises then this podcast is for you. How do these challenges affect law firms and what can lawyers to take positive action on climate change for their firms and their clients?

Episode 6 - An Insider’s Guide to…. CSRD

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An Insider’s Guide to…. CSRD

In this episode of the Sustainable Law Podcast we unpack the Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (CSRD) and its implications for law firms. As the EU’s ambitious ESG reporting framework reshapes compliance landscapes, we explore how law firms can support clients in navigating these changes and address the needs of their own practices. Join us for expert insights, practical advice and strategies to stay ahead.

With Rebecca Ward, Sustainability Strategist at Radley Yeldar, who has experience delivering CSRD-aligned double materiality assessments, as well as providing strategic advice on CSRD reports for organisations that will fall in scope of the first wave of CSRD reporting, and Maria Mana, a Sustainability Project Manager at Linklaters, who has over 15 years’ experience delivering projects and programmes and is currently laying the groundwork for Linklaters’ upcoming CSRD disclosures.

More about our guests:

Rebecca Ward

Rebecca is a Sustainability Strategist at Radley Yeldar (RY). Her role involves guiding and advising businesses on sustainability communications and strategy. With her clients, Rebecca has experience delivering CSRD-aligned double materiality assessments, as well as providing strategic advice on CSRD reports for organisations that will fall in scope of the first wave of CSRD reporting. Her personal superpower is translating complicated concepts into digestible information – whether that means explaining the theory of double materiality through a football analogy or untangling a complex value chain to tell a compelling sustainability story.

Maria Mana

Maria has over 15 years’ experience delivering projects and programmes and has worked for Linklaters for over 8 years. She has experience in the legal, as well as retail sector and has experience delivering big IT implementations. She has been focusing on sustainability projects at Linklaters for over 3 years. She set up the Carbon Reduction Programme to support the reduction of carbon emissions, in alignment with the Science Based Targets set to 2030 and worked to prepare the firm for its TFCD aligned disclosures. She is now focusing on preparing Linklaters for CSRD disclosures in 2026.